I Stand with Landen Gambill

COMMENTARY BY: CAREY HANLIN

Three days ago, my good friend Landen Gambill received an email from the UNC-Chapel Hill Honor Court informing her that she had been charged with “disruptive or intimidating behavior” toward the student who raped her.

When Landen first told me this past fall about her sexual assault, she talked about the psychological impact not just of the abuse itself, but also of the mistreatment she faced from the UNC administration. But never once did she tell me any extensive details about her abuser.

For Landen, this saga hasn’t been about revenge. It was never about making him pay for hurting her emotionally or physically, and it was never about destroying his reputation or ruining his life. It was just about justice, and more importantly about prevention.  It was and is about making sure other young women don’t have to face the trauma that Landen Gambill, Andrea Pino, and countless other young women around Chapel Hill and around the nation have been forced to experience.

But when Landen initially pressed charges against her abuser with the UNC Honor Court, she was met with resistance and hostility. And she found that she wasn’t the only one.

Last month, former UNC assistant dean of students Melinda Manning, along with Landen, Andrea Pino, and others, filed a complaint with the US Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights alleging that certain university officials pressured Manning into underreporting cases of sexual violence. The complaint was made on behalf of more than 60 sexual assault survivors who experienced the same stifling hostility that Landen encountered earlier this year.

Since the complaint was filed, UNC has garnered negative attention both locally and nationally, with the Huffington Post, News & Observer, Salon, and Jezebel all covering the progress of the case since its inception. Landen, Andrea Pino, and Melinda Manning have found themselves at the center of it all. Now, Landen feels that UNC administrators are retaliating against her, opting to attempt to silence her instead of addressing the issues filed in the complaint. Because of her activism and advocacy to bring change to UNC, because of her willingness and bravery to say that she was raped and that the university didn’t help her, Landen now faces the possibility of expulsion.

As much as we like to hold UNC to some mythical standard of utopian progressiveness, we cannot forget that rape does happen here. In fact, it isn’t even uncommon.   For our own administrators to work actively against sexual assault survivors and hide their cases away as if to pretend that nothing happened is unacceptable.  The use of the threat of suspension or even expulsion against Landen for being vocal about her rape is intolerable and horrifying.

UNC has the potential at this point to stand up for sexual assault survivors. It has the potential to be a beacon of change for our nation – to be the example that justice can prevail and that survivors will not be met with even further victimization. By telling Landen Gambill that she could face expulsion for saying that she was raped, by denying the allegations that administrators ignored the best interests of sexual assault survivors, and by implying that it is not acceptable to challenge the school system on its inability to help survivors of sexual assault, UNC fails to be a beacon. The great “light on the hill” remains dark.

This is my own personal plea to stand with Landen Gambill and every other survivor of sexual assault not just at UNC but around the nation and around the world – to recognize that sexual violence is very real, and that by silencing survivors, we are hindering social progress and actively allowing more pain.

Edit:

Note that we must always keep in mind that we live in the land of “innocent until proven guilty.” Obviously, if someone in Landen’s place had gone around pasting the name of her assailant all over the halls of UNC, smearing his image and slandering his name before he was found guilty of anything, we would be obligated to protect the rights of the assailant. And in this case too, we are obligated to protect the rights of both parties. But Landen does not repeat the name of her assailant in the public forum, and has barely even focused on him; rather she has focused on her mistreatment at the hands of particular UNC administrators. The point of this article is not to say that Landen’s assailant needs to be punished immediately and every person ever charged with sexual assault should suffer a terrible fate; it’s to say that the UNC administration has severely mishandled this case and many others, at the expense of survivors like Landen.

 
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72 Comments

  1. I cannot fathom a university policy that would place accusations and investigations of sexual assault in the hands of a student court. Nor can I comprehend UNC’s inept mishandling of its responsibility toward all of its students.

    • Actually there are a lot of advantages to handling it this way: there’s a lower standard of proof, no public disclosure requirements, less intimidating opposing counsel, people who are actually trained to understand the law rather than a jury of lay people judging the case, and no double jeopardy (you can still pursue your claim in a criminal court). Oh yeah, it’s free, and current policy basically creates a presumption that all rape claims are true.

      It should tell you something that, even with all those advantages, this girl still lost her case and her accused rapist (funny how all these articles leave out that tricky “accused”) was found not guilty. You can’t just show up to a court, point at a guy and say “He raped me, but him in chains”, and expect your orders to be followed. But please, don’t let me get in the way of your outrage. Continue to pretend it’s ok to continue calling someone cleared of the charge a “rapist”.

      • just because he was found not guilty in the student court does not mean he is not a rapist. you sound like just as much of a douchebag as UNC has been acting about this, AnontheGreat. Have you read about the way Landen was treated by this “court”? The things they said to her were both apalling and insensitive. They were obviously not trained or qualified to handle such a case.

      • You couldn’t be more wrong about most of what you’ve claimed. There are arguable advantages to having cases adjudicated in student honor courts- hence some victims still prefer them. But to assert that students on an honor court (or their advisors) are “actually trained” to understand “the law” is ridiculous. And even if “the law” of the school is understood, the dynamics associated with sexual violence are clearly not. Gambill’s case was dreadfully mishandled by Honor Court. Their finding of no violation on the part of the accused says zero about his actual guilt or innocence. UNC’s Honor Court was rightfully stripped of its ability to handle these types of cases (to my knowledge) last year. It was the right call.

      • If believing in “innocent until proven guilty” and “requiring evidence” before attaching someone with such a heavy label as “rapist” makes me and UNC a douschebag, then so be it. I’m a douschebag.

        “Have you read about the way Landen was treated by this “court”? The things they said to her were both ap[p]alling and insensitive.” I’ve read exactly what you have, which is how SHE says they treated her, and what SHE says they said to her. Knowing as I do many of people on this board, I have an EXTREMELY hard time believing any of that. But we’ll never know, will we? Privacy rules prevent any of them from ever actually presenting their side of the story.

        “But to assert that students on an honor court (or their advisors) are “actually trained” to understand “the law” is ridiculous.” Why is that ridiculous? A lot of them are law students, and they actually have training sessions on how to deal with these exact kind of cases. Does that make them experts? No, but it does make them better to understand and handle them than a lay jury.

        Finally, I guess we’ll have to disagree about what a conviction or acquittal in a “preponderance of the evidence” court has to say about this guy’s innocence. Court’s get it wrong all the time. But this court has heard a lot more of the evidence than you and I have, has spoken to both Gambill and her accused rapist, done a great deal of investigation, and then decided that the claim was unfounded. I think that speaks a lot more to his innocence or guilt that what Gambill claims. But hey, that’s just me.

      • “just because he was found not guilty in the student court does not mean he is not a rapist.”

        Oh……..the police called BS on the accuser and dropped charges and we still have to hang him. I get it.

        It reminds me of the Duke Boys. Jennifer wants a lynching and no excuses.

        • IT SEEMS PEOPLE CANT AGREE THERE WAS THEN SOMEONE ELSE SAYS THERE WASN’T A POLICE REPORT. DOESN’T MATTER IF I HAVE THE RISK OF BEING PUNISHED FOR SAYING THAT THE HONOR COURT GOT IT WRONG THEN THE UNIVERSITY IS WRONG. IF I GO TO COURT AND THE COURT RULES AGAINST ME I AM STILL ABLE TO SAY THEY GOT IT WRONG. THEY DON’T PUNISH ME IT IS IGNORED. IF THE UNIVERSITY USES THIS TO SILENCE PEOPLE IN A MANOR IT WAS NOT INTENDED I AM SURE. IF THE UNIVERSITY DID NOT WANT THIS TO BE TAKING PLACE THEY SHOULD HAVE TOLD HIM HE SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE TO HIM AND ATTEMPTED TO DISMISS THE WHOLE THING OR NO WAIT THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE HEARD THE RAPE ISSUE AND SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE STATE POLICE TO LOOK INTO IT AS THEY UNIVERSITY IS ON STATE PROPERTY.

    • How is this not something that the Judicial System should handle? Everyone assumes she is telling the truth. I do not know if she is or isn’t as I do not know all the facts (as you stated), but at the same time she is slandering an Institution because they asked her some tough questions which she felt made her a victim again. She accused another student of raping her. She never went to the authorities or filed a police report. Again I have to ask why is this type of case in front of a College Honor Court and not a Court room, or the very least a police station? These are very serious allegations that where never brought to the proper legal authorities.

      Was the Honor court just supposed to take her word for it and render a decision that could affect the rest of a young man’s life without asking some tough questions? For all we know he is a great person that unintentional hurt a young woman emotionally by breaking up with her, and she wanted to get back at him for dumping her. I say this because there is always two sides to each story, and we are only hearing one side of it along with her supporters who are repeating what she has said. She is now going public against the University because the Honor Court did not believe her story. The First Amendment states we all have the right to free speech, it does not say that there will not be consequences for that speech. I believe this especially true if said speech is found to be not credible or true. Maybe that is why she is not releasing his name publicly because then he would have the right to sue her for slander and emotional distress. Her supporters are emotionally charged and if she is telling the truth rightfully so, but it appears her supporters are basing their protest off of one side of the story. They seem to forget the fact that she may not be telling the truth and the University is trying to protect a student from unfair persecution, and that the accused student may be the actual victim.

      As far as I can tell to date minus the young woman’s allegations it appears all the young man has done is show the Honor court that he did not do what she accused him of. He then filed a grievance with the same Honor Court as she did after the Honor Court found him to be NOT guilty (I believe the Honor Court has woman on it?). The University is protecting the accused student and her supporters are claiming fowl. Universities should always protect their students, but they are not law enforcement and are ill equipped or qualified to handle these types of cases. Universities can be sued for releasing personal information about one of their students the same as Doctors, Lawyers, Insurance Companies, and Employers. Who is to say the young man is not the victim here? We can all give opinions, but you can’t just allow someone to go around and accuse an individual of a horrific crime and expect authorities to not ask questions to validate the accusations. Because she says she is a victim then she must be? That is what her supporters are assuming without hearing all the facts. Should an individual who was found to be falsely accused of something have the right to hold their accuser accountable for their false allegations and actions in the process? We do not know all the facts, but there is a reason there are checks and balances so that people can’t just go around and accuse someone of doing something wrong without the accused being given to opportunity to defend themselves. The young lady didn’t file with the police she chose to file with the Honor Court and they didn’t believe her, so rather than go to the legal authorities she is trying to get a one sided message out to the public.

      Again I don’t know if she is or isn’t telling the truth, but I suspect the truth will come out in great detail over the next couple of weeks. I also have no idea what it would be like to be a victim of rape, but that doesn’t mean we should believe every woman just because she said she was without being able to question the validity of the accusers accusations. Rape is a horrible crime and those who do it should be punished to the full extent of the law, but that does not mean we as a society have to take every woman’s word for it. Are we all just to take a woman’s word for it without asking questions because they say they are a victim and asking them questions makes them feel more of a victim? Please check out this article as there where 11 victims of false rape charges before the courts actually put the woman in jail. That means eleven men had to defend themselves from false rape charges from a woman who had a history of falsely accusing men of raping her. Again Rape is a horrible atrocious act and NEVER should be tolerated by any man or woman, but we must make sure that the accuser is telling the truth and give the accused due process before we find them guilty.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9894588/Compulsive-liar-jailed-after-11-false-rape-claims-in-decade.html

      • IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT SHE HAS SAID IT IS ABOUT THE UNIVERSITY TREATING TO PUNISH HER FOR SAYING THAT THE PROCESS WAS UN-FAIR, AND THAT SHE THE PROCEEDINGS WERE UNJUST IN HOW IT HANDLED HER COMPLAINT. NO UNIVERSITY HAS THE RIGHT TO REMOVE ANYONE’S FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND TO PUNISH THEM FOR USING THE RIGHTS GRANTED TO THEM UNDER THE BILL OF RIGHTS MAKES THE UNIVERSITY MORE THAN JUST ANTIQUATED BUT UN AMERICAN IT IS ABOUT THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH iF THEY WANT TO PROVE HER WRONG THEN UN SEAL OR MAKE PUBLIC WHAT WAS SAID WHAT TOOK PLACE THE EVIDENCE ITS THERE POLICY ITS NOT A LAW POLICIES CAN AND WHEN WRONG SHOULD BE CHANGED.
        THEY CAN FURTHER THEIR CAUSE BY PUNISHING THOSE WHO ABUSE HER SLANDER HER AND MAKE STATEMENTS TO BELITTLE HER.TO CAUSE HER HARE EMBARRASS HER AND REDUCE/BELITTLE HER AS WELL AS NEGATIVELY EFFECT HER COLLAGE EXPERIENCE.

      • such matters should be handled by professionals and not students/advisory faculty or the like. If the university wants to clear this up they need to release everything and defer such cases to law enforcement not part of the university.
        rape should always be investigated
        Kevin please think how you would feel if it was your sister or someday your child.

      • It is definitely something the judicial system should take care of. In my opinion it won’t take care of it because she won’t press charges because she knows she has 0 proof.

      • My understanding from the article is that the accused young man filed the grievance with the Honor Court against the young lady. The Universities Honor Court is giving him the same due process they gave her, so I ask you how is that punishing her for speaking out publically. They have informed her of what she has been accused of and told her that just because she was being accused does not mean she is guilty. She then goes public and makes it seem as if the University and the Honor Court is punishing her for speaking out.

        The young man filed the grievance with the Honor Court not the University. Is he not entitled to the same due process she was? Again keep in mind we do not know all the facts and weather he is telling the truth or if she is. We just know that she filed a grievance and was found not credible and then he filed a grievance and we do not know the outcome of that yet. Again for the life of me I do not understand how or why this is in a University Honor Court

        • kEVIN THE DIFFERENCE IS THE UNIVERSITY HAD NO BUSINESS HANDLING THE ACCUSATION OF RAPE THEY SHOULD HAVE DEFERRED TO PUBLIC LAW ENFORCEMENT THEY DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY THE KNOWLEDGE THE EXPERTISE TO HANDEL IT. THEY SCREWED UP HE DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO FORCE HER TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE THAT IS NOT PROTECTED BY THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
          SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO EXPECT HER ALLEGATIONS TO BE PROPERLY INVESTIGATE, TO RECEIVE PROPER FAIR AND HONEST TREATMENT OF HER COMPLAINT. SHE DID NOT TRY TO REMOVE HIM OF ANY OF HIS RIGHTS HE HOW EVER HAS NO RIGHT TO PREVENT HER FROM EXERCISE HER FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. IF HE WAS/IS SO DEFAMED WHY IS HE NOT SUING HER IN A COURT OF LAW WHY BECAUSE SHE HAS NOT PUBLICLY USE HIS NAME REGARDING SOMETHING THAT SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH. SHE IS USING THE LEGAL SYSTEM TO FORCE THE UNIVERSITY TO COME CLEAN ABOUT ITS PRACTICES AND POLICIES. .

    • such matters should be handled by professionals and not students/advisory faculty or the like. If the university wants to clear this up they need to release everything and defer such cases to law enforcement not part of the university.
      Rape should always be investigated by professionals
      Kevin please think how you would feel if it was your sister or someday your child.

      • I have thought about it as I have two daughters. If someone assaulted my daughters or raped them first and for most they would be in front of the police. Let me ask you this what if it was your son that was being accused of this. Everyone again believes this young lady is telling the truth. What if it ends up that she was lying all along? What about the young man for all we know he never did any of this yet people are quick to condemn him based off the word of a woman that waited until after they broke up to file a complaint with the University and never went to the Police. Also bill of rights gives us Freedom of Speech not Freedom from consequences of that speech.

      • IF MY SON WAS ACCUSED BY A WOMAN AT THE UNIVERSITY AND THEY WANTED TO PUT IT BEFORE AN HONOR COURT I WOULD HAVE HIM REFUSE I WOULD HIRE AN ATTORNEY AND INFORM THEM THEY DO NOT HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DENY MY SON HE DAY IN COURT I WOULD NOT ALLOW IT TO BE BROUGHT FORTH AS THEY DO NOT HAVE THE LEGAL SKILLS KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY TO HANDEL SUCH AN IMPORTANT ALLEGATION. I WOULD FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST HER IF SHE HAD USED MY SONS NAME IN CONNECTION TO SUCH ALLEGATIONS. i WOULD BRING LIGHT TO THE POLICY OF THE UNIVERSITY AND HOW THEY ARE REACHING. THERE IS A REASON YOU MUST PASS THE BAR TO PRACTICE LAW AND STUDENTS ALTHOUGH THEY MAY BE VERY GOOD ARE NOT LAWYERS. AND FOR SIMPLE THINGS THEY MAY DO BUT IN REAL LIFE/WORLD THEY WOULD BE LAUGHED OUT OF COURT.

      • Henry I agree with you as I’m dumbfounded the Honor Court hears these types of cases to begin with. If I had a son I would do the exact same thing you would, but I have daughters and I assure you I would not have let them go to a mickey mouse court run by young students that have zero real understanding or real world experience (not to say that they are not competent individuals just lack real experience) in what they are being asked to weigh in on and render a decision. At the very least my daughters would go to the police, counselor, therapist, or my attorney.

        Which brings me to my whole point all along the young lady went to the Honor Court no one forced her too and accused another student of rape. Again I agree with you they should have pointed her to the proper authorities or at the very least a professional counselor that understands these types of things. They didn’t so for the most part the rest of what I’m saying is really pointless outside the fact that she and her supporters are blaming the University for defending this young man which they are supposed to every bit as they are with her by not releasing any information to the public. But they are not protecting a rapist. It is not in the University’s or Honor Courts discretion to decide if he is or isn’t a rapist period. Just like it is not in their discretion to determine if she is a victim from the rape and assault based on the accused statements. I also NOW BELIEVE that the University or the Honor court has zero business weighing in on his complaint as well. Now if she takes this to the police and they file charges in a LEGAL US Court and the Court or Jury found her and her accusations not to be creditable and the young man was found not guilty. I then think if the young man chose to go to the Honor Court and filed a complaint against her with supporting documentation then they could and should hear it.

        I also would like to add that in an article I read the young lady was upset that the Honor Court sent a copy of the grievance or complaint (it did not specify) to her parents without her permission. I bring this up because the basis of this conversation is the young lady is upset along with all of her followers that the University is protecting a rapist and treated her unfairly ( I might remind everyone “alleged” rapist we do not currently know all of the facts and she has not gone to the police yet, or provided any evidence) she has not been kicked out of school she was notified of a complaint filed against her and ordered to appear. Now go back to what you said you would do if your son was accused. She can and should do the same thing. Just like the University can sue her for claiming they are protecting a rapist. She does have the right to Free Speech, but the University has the right to Sue her for defamation and slander if they feel what she is saying in not true. We all have the right to Free Speech, but that does not mean we can’t get into trouble if our Speech is not true or purposely misleading (Again I’m not calling the young lady a liar).

        I do not understand and am appalled why the Honor Court ever heard this to begin with. I believe the University (or the Honor court which the University claims is separate form the University)screwed up big time by getting involved with this on the level they did. They should have notified the proper authorities and helped the young lady talk to the appropriate people and or a support group. It’s like someone going to the dentist because they claim they were shot , worse the dentist examines the person, then tells them they do not believe they were shot. Dentist should have called 911 or given them a ride to the Hospital or at least a Doctor’s office. Probably bad analogy and I’m not trying to be funny. My point again why did she go to the Honor Court in the first place, and even worse why did the Honor Court weigh in on it in an official capacity (meaning passing judgment). I agree with you that the Honor Court has no business ever getting involved on this level to begin with and the University should have stepped in which I believe per Roger they have and the Honor Court no longer hears these types of cases. I really hope the facts do come out and if the young man did in fact rape or assault her I hope he goes to Jail. Now if it comes out that she was lying then I hope she goes to Jail as well because free speech should not allow someone to purposely try and ruin or hurt another individual by falsely accusing someone. Even though she doesn’t state his name I’m sure half of campus knows who is by now and if he didn’t do what she said he did I hope he gets a Lawyer and sues her.

        • Kevin
          Please first she went to get a no contact order that has to come from Honor .
          2ed get a copy of Blacks Law Dictionary Look up Defamation. That is what the alleged rapist would have to sue for. He would have to prove the claims are false. He would have to prove she named him she did not. Under the law it takes more than what she has said.
          The Honor Court has no ability to do fines or jail time. They can only effect a students educational future.
          BTW some of the information you have seems to be in error .
          Please go to
          http://campusblueprint.com/2013/02/27/misunderstandings-surround-gambill-case/
          and learn some of the corrections you need to know.

      • Henry,

        As I read your posts it becomes more and more obvious to me that you don’t know a single thing about this case because your sources come from “campus blueprint,” an obviously biased source. What you all keep forgetting is that this alleged “rapist” was found not guilty. There is a lot more to this story and because of the stigma of the term rapist, alleged or not, you are forgetting that this girl may be ruining an innocent man’s life. As a woman I am the first to understand how it feels to be taken advantage of and have many friends who have been sexually assaulted. However, if the claims made by this landen are false, and they do seem a bit sketchy, then not only is she committing slander but she is also invalidating every other rape case victim that comes forward on UNC’s campus. So before you go pointing fingers remember that you don’t have half of the story because the boy in this situation cannot stand up for himself. It’s sad, but I think your view of justice is a tad skewed. I believe your heart is in the right place but I think you along with many others can learn that we shouldn’t cry wolf if we aren’t even watching the sheep.

  2. If it was truly only about justice and prevention, it is baffling that the accuser does not avail herself of the most logical and effective avenue of getting the alleged violent rapist off the streets i.e. go to the police. There is no statute of limitations on rape in NC. She can have him arrested tomorrow given the abundance of evidence she claims to have. By not going to the police, by not having him charged in the most effective venue, she is enabling him to stay free and rape again. That is, of course, if he’s a rapist at all.

    • All of this assumes that it’s just as easy to report rape (particularly intimate partner rape occurring over a period of time) as it is calling the police over a stolen car stereo. It’s not. The dynamics are much different. Gambill QUOTES an Honor Court member as saying something along the lines of “Landen, as a woman, I know I would have left him immediately. Can you explain why you did not?”

      This question betrays a breathtaking ignorance of both sexual violence dynamics and basic legal relevance. The Honor Court had no business handling this case, and it’s conclusions are meaningless. Their inquisition did more harm than good.

      • Oh, so our accuser quotes someone as saying something. That’s lovely. If we were taking everything she said as fact than he wouldn’t have gotten acquitted. Guess what, a question like that is called a cross examination. That’s our legal system.

      • “Landen, as a woman, I know I would have left him immediately. Can you explain why you did not?”

        How can that possibly be described as an irrelevant question? She may have a good explanation for why she didn’t leave or report the abuse immediately, but it’s still clearly relevant to the credibility of her claim.

    • But we don’t reallly know the totality of the questioning the Honor Court engaged in. We only know what we’re being spoon-fed by the accuser whilst the other side of the story remains constrained by privacy laws. The accuser claims to have voluminous incriminating evidence against the accused. And yet she still won’t take that evidence to the authorities. Why not? She claims she’s only interested in justice and prevention. Whatever the difficulties of securing a conviction, the courts remain her best bet to achieve what she claims she wants. And yet she avoids taking appropriate legal action and prefers the court of public opinion where the other side isn’t allowed to respond to her accusations.

  3. If I read the above information, the issue isn’t about Ms. Gambill still trying to go after the person she accused of rape, its her trying to go after the way UNC deals with rape on campus, and how the women who come forward are treated, and how administration handles the whole process. All the comments here seem to be coming back to her and the person she accused, not about the complaint filed against UNC on how they try to underplay rapes on campus.

  4. I have been a long time fan of Carolina Basketball. My Aunt graduated from Carolina and was a lab technician at Hospital in Chapel Hill until her retirement. I have always admired the people at Carolina and their sense of fairness and equality. I can’t understand why the administration would stand in the way of justice for anyone and I stand with Landen.

  5. I don’t know the facts of this case but here are my 2 cents:

    1. I know for a fact that how long a person endures abuse is no indication that it didn’t happen and enduring abuse for a period of time does not give some kind of protection to the abuser.

    2. If she has not already done so, Landen needs to file charges with the appropriate authorities (if she was actually raped). It might be hard but she seems to have a good support group so she will manage.

    3. Because a person is found guilty, doesn’t mean that they are. By that same token, not because a “jury” finds a person not guilty means that he/she didn’t commit the offense.

    4. If the UNC is charging Landen purely on the grounds that the accused was found not guilty then that is ridiculous (for the reasons mentioned in 3 above). Also, unless it can be proven that when she spoke out about the alleged rape, she was doing in with the intention to “create a hostile environment for the accused/ to intimidate the accused” or whatever the charge is, then there really is no case.

    Aside: Don’t have the details just commenting on info that is available. Only Landen and the accused really know the truth.

  6. In response to your “Edit” you are missing the key point that he has already been identified by her as her “long-time boyfriend.” How has that not affected your stated position?

    • Under the Honor code of the Univ of NC Chapel Hill you are subject to charges being brought against you and can face the same punishments as she does. If the Univ fails to then it is purely sexist and violates equal protection statutes under Federal Law.

      • This comment was in reference to one made by James Wilson which was justly removed. I hope the editors report the comment to the “Honor Board”

    • James Wilson, I find your comment difficult to understand. For now, consider the first sentence: “Landen Gambill is the penultimate bore with a Capital W.” The word ‘penultimate’ means next-to-last, there’s no English word ‘wbore’, and ‘wore’ as an noun is an obsolete word for seaweed. Near as I can figure, you’re saying she’s the next-to-last seaweed.

      But even if Ms. Gambill is indeed the next-to-last seaweed, she is still entitled to speak to the media about her experience before the UNC Honor Court without being threatened with expulsion.

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  8. It fascinates me that there’s so much discussion about whether or not he’s a rapist, when clearly the article EMPHASIZES that this is not what the article is about.

    I don’t know Landen and honestly what she says isn’t really what stuck with me the most. What stuck with me was the mention of Melinda Manning in this article and the fact that she (along with others) “filed a complaint with the US Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights alleging that certain university officials pressured Manning into underreporting cases of sexual violence.”

    Why would she do that? Is she so tied to Landen that she feels she must cosign and jump on the bandwagon? Being that Manning is an adult and that I’ve met with her as a result of my own experiences with sexual assault on this campus (and being that she’s the person who has made some suggestions that have changed my life for the better – perhaps even saved it), I trust her. I know that she is the go-to person when you’ve experienced sexual assault.

    I didn’t press charges against my abuser because I didn’t want to go through this circus with people chiming in on the situation like they are here on this very forum. Regardless of whether or not Landen experienced sexual assault or abuse or rape, the public reaction to this situation is the very reason people who have experienced sexual assault don’t go to the police or don’t report what happened to them. It’s tough to understand unless you’ve experienced it yourself, but having people question you like this is just like experiencing the violence all over again. Just reading the responses was, for me, just like experiencing the violence all over again and the article isn’t even about me.

    • “I didn’t press charges against my abuser because I didn’t want to go through this circus with people chiming in on the situation like they are here on this very forum.”

      Having your cake and eating it soooooo cool. If I were a rape victim, I would get him prison or I would get him in the neck with a knife.

      But not you. You fairly yawned and “moved” on. Hardly the mindset of a real rape victim. You get to pontificate on your traumatic experience and never leave your living room and actually do anything about it.

      I don’t believe you.

      • Fredrick Massey: You’re a miserable, loathsome person. I’m being utterly serious, and yes, this is a flat out, ad hominem attack against you. And it is richly deserved, you pathetic cretin. If you “don’t believe” the women who posted above you, for whatever feeble minded, baseless reasons you have, please do us all a favor and keep them to yourself. If you’d like to discuss this with me further, feel free to contact me directly at rogercanaff@mac.com. Otherwise, shut up.

        • “You’re a miserable, loathsome person. I’m being utterly serious, and yes, this is a flat out, ad hominem attack against you. And it is richly deserved, you pathetic cretin.”

          I guess the ole estrogen patch is kicking in for you Roger. I think you need to get in touch with your inner feminine energies and fix yourself a cup of sleepytime tea.

          I guess you’re too stupid to read much. I guess the Duke Lacrosse lynch party is one party you missed and I guess you’re bitter about that.

          I like you Roger. Give us some more hysterical female bloviating. Please. I dare you.

      • The words “I don’t believe you” to a person (doesn’t have to be a woman by the way) who comes forward to report sexual violence is probably the cruelest and most damaging thing that can possibly be said to him or her, especially when it comes from such a baseless, foolish, nonsensical perspective as yours. You know nothing, and yet you’re willing to utter something breathtakingly abusive anyway. Hence my characterization of you.

        Ah, Duke Lacrosse- the rallying cry for every misogynist out there with “they’re all out to get me” paranoia. The false accuser in Duke Lacrosse was not charged with filing a false report by the North Carolina AG. Know why? Probably not. It was because the AG felt that she actually believed what she claimed due to mental illness so severe it actually would probably negate any criminal liability she would have. Duke Lacrosse was tragic, wrong, and rare. And it was criminally handled by a man justifiably being punished for it (Nifong). Beyond that, it serves to do nothing but enable people like you to emotionally rip apart others for reasons I’ll never understand. Please do it silently- you’re hurting a great deal of people who don’t deserve it.

          • FREDERICK
            PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT HIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR VIOLATES THE 2ED GUIDELINE OF POSTING HERE “) Contain personal attacks or abusive language; contain profanity; contain racist, sexist or homophobic language or other slurs.” CLEARLY MY NAME TELLS YOU THAT i AM MALE THUS SUCH A COMMENT IS A PERSONAL ATTACK.
            NEXT I HAVE A BA IN PSYCHOLOGY SOCIOLOGY BUSINESS AS WELL AS LAW. I HAVE SPENT ALMOST A DECADE WORKING WITH VICTIMS. MY COMMENT WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT SOMEONE WHO PROPERLY PUT YOU AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE HUMAN CONDITION IN ITS PROPER PLACE.
            I HOPE THAT WHEN YOU GAIN THE MENTAL FACULTIES TO COMPREHEND ALL THAT YOU SEEM TO BE COMMENTING ON YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT YOU AND YOUR COMMENTS ARE PERCEIVED TO BE BELLIGERENT SPITEFUL JUVENILE AND LACKING IN THE COMPREHENSION OF HOW THE EMOTIONAL MAKE-UP OF A PERSON EFFECT MOST IF NOT ALL PARTS OF A PERSONS LIFE.
            PLEASE GROW-UP LEARN SOMETHING AND STOP BEHAVING AS IF YOU ARE A NEANDERTHAL YOUR NOT .

          • Oh Henry McWilliams. You said this:

            ” CLEARLY MY NAME TELLS YOU THAT i AM MALE THUS SUCH A COMMENT IS A PERSONAL ATTACK.”

            Why does your name tell me you are male? Are you such a serious sexist that you demand recognition of your maleness?

            Do you hate women?

          • “I HOPE THAT WHEN YOU GAIN THE MENTAL FACULTIES TO COMPREHEND ALL THAT YOU SEEM TO BE COMMENTING ON YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT YOU AND YOUR COMMENTS ARE PERCEIVED TO BE BELLIGERENT SPITEFUL JUVENILE AND LACKING IN THE COMPREHENSION OF HOW THE EMOTIONAL MAKE-UP OF A PERSON EFFECT MOST IF NOT ALL PARTS OF A PERSONS LIFE.”

            Oh Henry McWilliams.

            You are saying that being belligerent, spiteful, juvenile and lacking in the comprehension of how the emotional make-up of a person effects most if not all parts of a person’s life is a bad thing?

            I say again. Henry McWilliams is a woman. Why is that a bad thing?

        • “Ah, Duke Lacrosse- the rallying cry for every misogynist out there with “they’re all out to get me” paranoia.”

          Hmmm….a glaring example of your liberal moral blindness and utter contempt for the gross miscarriage of justice. You liberals look at the men who were denied due process by the D.A. and the left-wing cadre of professors see “misogyny”.

          Amazing. You bring such stupidity and a lack of morality to the issue. No crime even happened at Duke and yet the D.A. struggled to create a case. He failed because of a bank camera and the efforts of very expensive defense attorneys.

          What was it the dems said when they went after Bush I? It wasn’t the facts that dictated the nature of the case but the seriousness of the charges?

          “Beyond that, it serves to do nothing but enable people like you to emotionally rip apart others for reasons I’ll never understand. Please do it silently- you’re hurting a great deal of people who don’t deserve it.”

          LOL

          So very typical of femboys like you Roger. LOL Emotionally rip apart others? I be you wear eyeliner too.

          You are, unfortunately, the victim of the the fruits of Deconstructionism. Words mean things Roger. But in your world, words are weapons, emotional sledge hammers to make normal people doubt their eyes and ears and common sense.

          I feel sorry for you Roger. You are so totally infected with political correctness you are doomed.

          You supplant common sense thinking with estro-emotional blackmail and think I don’t notice?

          Ah I fear the feminisation of America is proceeding apace and you are like the fish in water. He knows only water and even know he’s wet. He is totally blind to anything above the water’s surface.

          Manhood means nothing to the new castrati (you and others like you), it is a fearful thing that you must destroy at any cost. Failing that, you go to circle jerk self-flagellating groups at the student union and admire your emerging feminine energies.

          Ciao baby.

          • FREDERICK
            WHAT INSECURITIES YOU MUST HAVE. WHAT A SMALL INSECURE MIND WHEN YOU FEEL IT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE ATTACKS ON THOSE WHO’S ONLY OFFENSE IS THAT THEY ARE HUMANIST. AND HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTAND OF THE WORLD . HUMANIST IS A BIG SCAREY WORD TO SOMEONE LIKE YOU, I AM SURE BUT YOU CAN DO A CUT AND PASTE AND LOOK IT UP.

      • Is your caps lock broken or something? For someone who is so educated, you seem to have a serious problem with typing, spelling, and the like.

        • MY TYPING HAS NO ISSUE MY SPELLING IS CORRECT AND WHEN SOMEONE LOOKS TO PETTY ARGUMENTS IT SHOWS THEY HAVE NO TRUE ISSUE TO DISCUSS.

      • It’s hard to argue with you when it seems like you’re yelling the whole time. Is this your first time on the internet?

        • YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY CAN READ IT. AND AS YOU DO NOT HEAR A INCREASE IN VOLUME I AM NOT YELLING. I ONCE AGAIN POINT OUT NO REAL SUBSTANCE TO YOUR POST NO REAL INPUT NOTHING TO SAY BUT BEHAVE IN A JUVENILE MANOR.
          iF I HAD ONE WISH FOR YOU I WOULD WISH YOU TO GROW UP AND BEHAVE IN A MANOR THAT YOUR PARENTS WOULD BE PROUD OF.

      • It is generally accepted decorum on the internet that use of all caps=yelling, or at least that the typed speech is meant to be said with that implied force. Also, that’s not the appropriate use of “manor”. That’s a big ol’ house. You mean “manner”.

        • Hey Anonthegreat,

          “Also, that’s not the appropriate use of “manor”. That’s a big ol’ house. You mean “manner”.”

          Not me bud.

      • Don’t worry Fred, I’ve been directing my comments at Mr. McWilliams, not you. I just can’t seem to reply directly to any his posts further down from here.

  9. She may not be specifically mentioning his name, but she is refering to him as her “long term ex boyfriend” from so that effectively means she’s slandering seringng his name to everyone who knows him. One here is saying it’s not about whether he did or didn’t rape her, but about how the university handled it. The problem is how was the University supposed to handle it when there was no evidence suggesting he actually raped her. I don’t feel universities should have to adhere to as high of a standard for proving guilt as criminal courts, but they at least need to adhere to a standard of reqmay joing at least a morsel of evidence beyond a sole accusation.

    The honor court adhered to a standard of guilt based on a preponderance of guilt. That burden was not met and they found no grounds to find the alleged attacker guilty. It’s possible the honor court conducted a bad hearing, but the alleged victim is still fully within her rights to file a police report and pursue a criminal conviction. If there is any evidence to be found then the police have much greater legal authority to investigate the case and interrogate the accused. A university doesn’t have the legal authority of the police and courts. All the school court had to go on was the word of the accuser versus the word of the accused. When a case is completely one persons word against the other, then the people trying the case have to try their best to ascertain who is being honest. I doing so requires questioning their story to see if there are holes on it. This obviouslmust be done to the accused, but also to the accuser especially when the entire case is based solely on the accusers word.

    I agree that the honor court is probably inappropriate place to hear such a case, and I think it would be much better left to the real legal system. With that being said I would point out that the honor court members are mostly law students and have gone through training about the laws of the school. The honor court members are probably much better trained than your average dozen people who show up for jury duty at a criminal court. If the reason she hasn’t filed an actual police report is because she knows she will never meet the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, then she could also file a civil lawsuit where the burden would he equal to that of the honor court that found the guy innocent.

    As of yet she has filed no police report and no civil suit against the accused rapist. The one court who heard the are found the accused not guilty. The fact that there’s no evidence the accused committed the rape and that the school system found him not guilty means the school has an obligation to protect him from being lynched by vigilantes whipped up into a frenzy by her public accusations. I believe strongly in freedom of speech, and believe she has a right to exercise that speech. However she does not have a right to slander another student of UNC if she’s attending the school. She mau

    • He was not found “innocent.” He was found “not guilty” or “not responsible” or an honor code violation. Big difference.

      • I believe the honor code is a red herring. It was the police that dropped all charges. You are playing games with a serious problem: false charges of rape.

      • She was told her choice was either Honor Court OR police report . For a no contact order she went with the Honor Court. They brought up the abuse /rape as part of the no contact.

  10. I don’t understand why Landen’s lawyers (if she doesn’t have any she should contact the ACLU-or if they can’t do it I’d be glad to suggest some) don’t go to federal court to obtain a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction to halt the disciplinary proceedings under the civil rights act; 42 USC sec. 1983

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